Will someone PLEASE explain this to me? Please?
I ask for reasons, and this is what I get:
I believe in an intelligent designer through evidence; believe this designer is revealed in the Bible for many profound reasons. However a skeptical mind will never accept the Bible but taking that view would also make them a poor scientist; one not to be trusted! I believe in God for many reasons. Some... I believe there is proof of God in his creation, I believe there is proof of God from the Bible because of prophecies foretold; which have come to pass; the way it is written is definitely not from the mind of man. To believe the latter takes reading & study; but a closed skeptical mind will never find truth.The perpetrator of this astonishingly myopic tripe also purports there is "scientific proof of a biblical god."
Where? I want to see it. If you have such proof, isn't it your duty as a christian to come forth and share it? Are you telling me that you have evidence that will change the world as we know it, but you're not willing to share it? And you're going to call me selfish and arrogant? Really?!
If you want to believe in god, go ahead. I can't stop you. You have a right to believe what you wish. If you are a practicing scientist (this person is), and you deny scientific fact, you are in the wrong field, and you are turning back the clock on humanity's progress... unless, of course you have scientific evidence of god, in which case, you need to share that shit. If you've discovered scientific evidence of a biblical god, wouldn't all the amazing rewards humanity would bestow upon you for such a profound discovery be further proof of his blessing?
Holy Shit!
As a courtesy, I left the entire run of babble up there uninterrupted, but now it's time for a break down:
I believe in an intelligent designer through evidence;
What evidence? Show me this evidence. Where is it? Don't say "The Bible is evidence" because it isn't. It's one book. It's a single text that has been edited more times than the script for the pilot episode of "Soul Man."
believe this designer is revealed in the Bible for many profound reasons.
What are your reasons, and why are they profound?
However a skeptical mind will never accept the Bible but taking that view would also make them a poor scientist;
What?
one not to be trusted!
WHAT?!
I believe in God for many reasons. Some... I believe there is proof of God in his creation, I believe there is proof of God from the Bible because of prophecies foretold; which have come to pass; the way it is written is definitely not from the mind of man. To believe the latter takes reading & study; but a closed skeptical mind will never find truth.
So to sum up, you believe in god because you believe in god and furthermore, you believe in god because you do. Really. Seriously, dude, that's what you just said, but with a lot more unnecessary words. As far as your position that a "closed skeptical mind will never find truth." Um... Not so. A skeptical mind searches for truth. A Cynical mind may not. Moreover, you silly little man, if you are insisting that your god is truth, and no one will dissuade you regardless of how much evidence they shovel on top of your head, and you continue to point exclusively to your magic tome for answers AND NO OTHER TEXTS OF ANY KIND, who is it that's being close-minded?
Ladies and gentlemen, I've said this at least a few hundred times. You can NOT wave one book around, cherry pick parts of it you feel apply to your current argument, and declare it as divine truth. There is no such thing as divine truth, and when you're satisfied with accepting magic as fact, you close way more doors than you open. If you have evidence, present it. Hell, I'm not even using the old "get it peer reviewed" line on you (though, it does apply). I'm just saying present your evidence. ANY evidence.
Yeah, but for sheer comedy value, here's a guy defending an ancient text that he absolutely insists was "written by god" because it's clearly not from "the mind of man"... which is proof positive that this asshole has no fucking clue what's actually IN the bible. He needs to read "The Book of J" by Harold Bloom, or "God: A Biography" by Jack Miles, or for Christ's sake (as it were) ANY work by a legitimate fucking biblical scholar as to authorship and editing. He needs to come to grips with the fact that God very vividly evolves throughout the narrative of the Tanakh/OT. He needs to admit that, not only does each book of the bible have a human author, the Torah/Pentateuch has at least three, as evidenced by the fact that so many stories are told twice or more, often right next to each other, often contradicting each other! He needs to realize that, at NO point during which Israelite motherfuckers were actually WRITING the bible did they consider it "the inspired word of god"; that shit came much later after the Christian church started seriously collecting gold and torture casualties. He needs to account for the fact that, if God wrote the damn bible, God didn't know jack shit about physics, geology, zoology, botany, or even human reproduction, based on the many demonstrable scientific errors. He needs to tell me precisely what changed about the laws of physics such that rainbows were never seen before the Noahic covenant but have been seen constantly ever since. While he's at it, he might indeed explain how Noah got specimens of every species on the planet—how about bison and kangaroos? how did he score his bison and kangaroos?—and how they would fucking fit in a fucking 300-fucking-cubit wooden boat, when the extant arthropods alone would sink that fucker. He needs to account for the astonishing forgetfulness of God, who created light on the first day, and then again on the fourth day. He needs to account for all the contradictions between the gospels: Was Jesus born when Herod the Great was alive or when Quirinius was governor of Syria? (They don't overlap.) Was Jesus without sin or wasn't he? Did he allow John to baptize him or didn't he? Was Judas working for God or Satan? Did one of the thieves crucified with Jesus "get saved"? Are Jews evil? (John certainly thought so.) And perhaps the biggest question: If the whole lousy soap opera was written by a perfect God, why in the ungreased Louisville slugger fuck did he have to write FOUR accounts of his son's life?
ReplyDeleteOMFG, it's bad enough critically discussing a fucking MOVIE you haven't seen, but basing your entire religion and value system on a book you haven't even fucking read? That takes a special kind of stupid.
I was ready to go off on a rant about the inane hypocrisy of calling someone "a poor scientist" for omitting one particular source of information while he sits there omitting ALL other sources of information. But that has been sufficiently covered.
ReplyDeleteAnd while the person in question still seems to be a closed minded buffoon who has no business calling himself a scientist, nor have I seen definitive "scientific proof of a -biblical- god", I have, as I've stated previously seen a great deal of evidence to support an "intelligent designer".
The fact that the oxygen/hydrogen ratio maintains such a delicate balance, and if it varied by even the smallest degree earths atmosphere would erupt into flame (which we may very well do with either the depletion of the ozone or the destruction of the rain forests, and humans are our model for intelligent life?). Not a very pleasant living environment. Sure, a lot of skeptics will see it as simply something incredibly improbable happening, and not definitive proof of a higher power, but the fact that it is regularly maintained means that something that is "incredibly improbably" happens with consistent regularity which somewhat bends the definition of the word "improbable". The numerous and extremely unlikely events that had to occur just so in order for amino acids and protoplasms to form the first single celled organisms. The chaotic jumble of organic machinery including positive and negative feedback loops and numerous variables that simply would not function effectively without some sort of control system. (Most points are covered in Gaia Theory, which is part of my bible, along with A Brief History of Time, the Cosmic Blueprint, and the Mind of God.)
There are a great many unexplained things out there, Bete. My position is this: That it is irresponsible to chalk it up to a deity and be done with it, rather than actively seek answers. We may never know all the intricacies of how we came into being and maintain life on Earth, but one thing is certain; no magical graybeard in the sky scooped up a divine handful of dust and packed it like a hard snowball to make it. It's the seeking, not necessarily the finding, that enables progress. Occam's razor and all that. :)
DeleteAs I said, I don't deny the irresponsibility of the quoted, nor am I defending the christian god or creation story. While I am more willing to say "God did it" than you, I agree that shouldn't be a cop out. My goal is to understand exactly -how- God did it (Fruit of the tree of knowledge anyone? It'll make you feel good...good...good...) which is why I broaden my field to finding the correlations between both science and spirituality.
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